sceptics vs. academics

This is part of a long term project to try to understand why the “two sides” in the climate debate look at pretty much the same information and come to very different conclusions. Having met both sides, and tried to understand their motivation and outlook, I am thoroughly convinced that both approach the subject in what they think is the right way and both are horrified at the “antics” of the other. If I have said anything that can be taken as derogatory, that was not the intention. I am sorry but I have done my best to describe what I see.
[From early responses it is clear I need to define more precisely what I mean by sceptic and non-sceptic. Broadly, those supporting the IPCC conclusions that we are heading toward catastrophic warming would be on one side and those who are sceptical of this on the other. For a more precise definition of sceptic I would consider sceptics to be those who generally agree with the statement outlined in the: “The Sceptic View“]

I WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE COMMENTS FROM BOTH “SIDES”.

Sceptic Non-sceptic
(Academic/ “warmist”)
Employment sector Commercial & non-governmental Academia, public sector & campaign charities
Employment Electronic engineering, chemical engineering, energy engineering, general engineering, weather forecasting. Environmental science, life sciences, climate science, civil service, journalism, campaign charities & general sciences.
Main focus Prediction & hard facts. Understanding & empathy.
Viewpoint Individualistic, libertarian & conservative (not politically)
Public sector, Guardian liberal.
Viewpoint of Natural variation Natural variation is around us everywhere and dominates natural systems. Many things vary naturally and we capture these in our models. With enough data, measurement errors can be processed  data so that we can ignore them.
Model of natural variation. Measurement = Nat.Var.
after careful work …
Measurement =
f(t) + Nat.Var.(t)

Theory = Natural system.
(After enough data measurement errors -> 0)

Main Expertise Prediction, design & decision making
Theory, understanding and/or modelling through hindcasting. Communicating ideas.
Main Aim Best decision Best explanation
Attitude if prediction/model doesn’t match new data. Poor quality like this cannot be tolerated by professionals. Good decisions require good models which include normal variation.
Those involved should sort the problem out or find another job.
That is to be expected because this is how we improve our models.
Attitude if they don’t understand what is happening Real life is like that and you learn to cope. That is a dreadful admission. How can you say you can’t explain what is happening. A careless attitude like this cannot be tolerated.
Those involved should sort out their problems or find another job.
Attitude to long term forecasting. Forecasts get worse and natural variation increases the further away we try to predict from measured data. Errors become smaller with more data so over the long term measurement errors can be ignored.
Extra discipline skill set. Holistic, multi-skilled, complex, time & resource limited.
Includes practical economics, understanding how people react in real situations and how they reach decisions in the real world.
Used to complex systems with non-linear, non-deterministic behaviour, real time decision making, safety critical. Able to cope where there is not enough time or resources.
Single subject.
Focused on own area of expertise. Secure job with time to get to grips with subject. Reliant on peers to provide good data. Avoids messy, non-linear, non-deterministic systems operating in real time. Is almost never involved in commercial situations where there is too little time and resource (to involve academia).
Problem solving approach Bottom up
Start with the brass tacks facts, assess the situation to a professional standard & if there is time make make sense of it.
Top down.
Start with the overall picture & fills in the details as understanding improves. Ignore all extraneous detail which cannot be modelled.
Experience in decision making Real time, high cost, critical to company’s survival and/or safety critical. Resource & information limited. Which journal/newspaper to send latest work to?
What to do next to get next grant?
What quality means
Getting it right first time Work accepted by peers, newspaper, manager as “novel enough” & interesting enough for publication

Addendum

Approach
What is normal and is there any sign of anything abnormal happening which requires attention?
How do we model the system and what do our models suggest will happen?
Basis for validation /falsification of hypotheses
Empirical data derived from real-time physical observations or reproducible experimentation.
Model simulations based on theoretical considerations supported by interpretations of selected paleo-climate proxy data

Changes
1.0 after fair comment that the the text was patronising re the non-sceptic view of natural variation it has been changed as follows:
Columns: “Academic (warmist)”
changed to
‘Non-sceptic (Academic/ “warmist”)’
Model of natural variation under “non-sceptic”:
“(Ignoring measurement errors)”
changed to
“(After enough data measurement errors -> 0)”
Viewpoint of Natural variation
“Natural variation? You mean measurement error.”
changed to
“Many things vary naturally and we capture these in our models. With enough data, measurement errors can be processed  data so that we can ignore them.”

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The decadal mean temperature graph

Great article … not reblogged before so this is kind of a test.

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The evil 95% must change their CO2 usage immediately!

After reading the IPCC summary I would like to make the following statement:
I am now 95% confident that the 95% of people whose grossly selfish action means that they are responsible for a massive 95% of all world emissions of the evil polluting gas carbon dioxide, must immediately, and unconditionally, reduce their emissions to that of the 5% of the world’s population whose frugal lifestyle means they are only responsible for 5% of global emissions of carbon dioxide.
STATEMENT ENDS 🙂

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Kiribati man claims asylum on global warming grounds

THE first claim for asylum from a “climate-change refugee” is set to be heard by a court in New Zealand.
The man from the island of Kiribati arrived in New Zealand six years ago and has since settled and fathered three children. Immigration authorities have twice tried to send him back to the Pacific island, but he has argued rising sea levels caused by global warming means it is not safe for him to return there. His lawyer, Michael Kidd, plans to argue his case before the High Court on 16 October.
Scotsman
I see everyone’s joining in the IPCC’s 95% tom foolery.

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UK government wobbly on climate change.

As a result of the IPCC debacle, the climate debate is primed like an avalanche where the merest sound could bring it all crashing down.
Then today I read that …

Speaking at an event yesterday to mark last week’s landmark climate science report by the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the Energy and Climate Change Secretary launched a thinly veiled attack on Chancellor George Osborne who last weekend suggested the UK should not be at the forefront of tackling climate change. (Business Green)

One arm of the lib-con alliance is now attacking the other. Following close on the heals of Labour’s disastrous return to state control or as the economist titles it: “Tilting at windmills .. Ed Miliband’s proposals to cut energy bills seem likely to do the opposite “, it seems clear that this issue is going to heat up.
If the Tories come out fighting, which seems very likely as they have nothing at all to lose from such a strategy,
… this will** bring the house down.
**95% confident … based on a scientific assessment of the number of fingers and toes I am not putting up to this IPCC claim.

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Scientific American "The New Climate Data: So What?"

Mark Fischetti who is a senior editor at Scientific American and covers energy, environment and sustainability issues has written a rather cutting piece. I was surprised by the headline to say the least. As a group the popular “scientific” journals like New Scientist, Nature and Scientific American had been far from scientifically-sceptical. The article starts as would be expected:

After much anticipation, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change on Friday revealed it’s new assessment of climate change.

Then after a lengthy regurgitation of  something the IPCC ate, comes the answer: Continue reading

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Could it be over within days?

Even for the most ardent warmist AR5E has been an anti-climax. At first a few die-hard warmists were trolling the forums sprouting their propaganda, but even these people seem to have disappeared.
Looking through the media coverage, there is still the greenspin propaganda pieces, which have all the hallmarks of being written in bulk months ago. But the intelligent thoughtful articles are not going the IPCC way. This is typical:

Since the report is written by scientists, while the summary is written by political representatives of U.N. member nations, this would seem to be bass ackwards. In a rational world, the summary should be adjusted to reflect the current thinking of scientists. What scientists think to be scientific truth shouldn’t be massaged to fit the needs, desires, or convenience of politicians.

News stories about the IPCC report were based on the Summary for Policymakers. The main reason for the delay in issuance of the report, I suspect, is so no journalist would notice the more extravagant claims by the politicos are heavily caveated by the scientists in the report proper. [when it comes out later]

But this raises a really serious point: what happens, as it appears increasingly to be the case, if the politicos have gone well beyond what the scientists are willing to say? Continue reading

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Wallstreet journal: skeptics, skeptics everywhere …

I’ve just had a rather unnerving feeling reading the comments on the article “Climate of Uncertainty“. There clearly have been one or more warmists commenting because there are replies to their comments … but I could not find them.
Seriously, I’m sure I read one when I first started reading the comments, but when I went back to look, I couldn’t find any warmists comments.
This is quite alarming. There are 347 comments, so it is clearly fairly well known. From memory the WallStreet journal was not a sceptic journal. The article is fairly balanced. I’m starting to try to think of reasons why warmists would be all but missing. Perhaps it is an obscure blog under the journal. Perhaps warmists are all watching something on TV.
Unfortunately, it’s a bit catch 22: unless or until warmists start posting (if they ever do ….) it isn’t possible to know why they aren’t posting.
All I can say is that at least in the case of this article … the warmists have (almost) all left the field.
Does this mean we have won?
Addendum … How stupid of me!!!
How could I forget. The US government has shut down all unessential departments like the EPA so all the government employed warmists trolls are having a day off!

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IPCC, Hillsborough and lead balloons

Sitting down I decided to have a look and see what the reaction to the IPCC report was. The first two items were:

  • Hillsborough inquest in same town as IPCC investigation
  • Police probe into Lynette murder satisfies IPCC

For anyone from outside the UK the IPCC is the “Independent Police Complaints Commission”. Hillsborough happened many years and I’ve not heard of the Lynette murder. Going down to the climate articles we have:

Pretty much the only media who have covered this (if the google search ranking is anything to go by) is the BBC – even the Guardian is missing!

It has gone down like a lead balloon handed to a drowning man.

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The Weather Isn't Getting Weirder

Found this article in the trash. I can’t remember why it wasn’t published, but given the latest IPCC I thought it worth reminding everyone that there is no evidence of increasing extremes.
I remember it well because the researchers had gone looking for increasing trends and were surprised to find none. However, unlike many others they reported this fact, which means their research is all the more credible.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704422204576130300992126630.html#articleTabs%3Darticle
http://debunkhouse.wordpress.com/2011/02/11/noaa-no-evidence-that-weather-is-becoming-more-extreme/
The project’s initial findings, published last month, show no evidence of an intensifying weather trend. “In the climate models, the extremes get more extreme as we move into a doubled CO2 world in 100 years,” atmospheric scientist Gilbert Compo, one of the researchers on the project, tells me from his office at the University of Colorado, Boulder. “So we were surprised that none of the three major indices of climate variability that we used show a trend of increased circulation going back to 1871.”
In other words, researchers have yet to find evidence of more-extreme weather patterns over the period, contrary to what the models predict. “There’s no data-driven answer yet to the question of how human activity has affected extreme weather,” adds Roger Pielke Jr., another University of Colorado climate researcher.

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