C14 dating shows oddities: Cosmic rays, earth's magnetic field or more evidence for the Caterpillar?

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In the new study using samples taken from Xingkai Lake near the Sino-Russian border in Heilongjiang province, researchers have discovered a discrepancy between two dating methods: radiocarbon dating and another method known as optically stimulated luminescence.
C14 dating uses the fact that Carbon in the atmosphere is constantly being bombarded by cosmic rays to create a radiative form which is then absorbed by plants, and then by animals. Because the ratio of the radioactive form of Carbon decays with a half life of 5700 years, the percentage of radioactive carbon can be used to date any organic sample – with the proviso that the amount of cosmic rays is constant, and that large amounts of “fossil carbon” are not being released to the atmosphere.
Optically stimulated luminescence. Uses light to measure the amount of free electrons trapped in quartz. This method relies on the slow accumulation of energy in the quartz, which is then “wiped clean” by exposure to light. So this allowed the team to tell how long the samples had been kept away from sunlight, and therefore estimate when it was that they first fell in the lake.
By comparing results from the two methods, they found that carbon dating became unreliable beyond a range of 30,000 years.

Implication

The possible causes of this are:

  1. An increase in the level of atmospheric C14 due to Cosmic rays (possibly as a result of changes to earth’s magnetic field)
  2. A constant decrease in the level of atmospheric C14 after this date as more fossil carbon is released (where radioactive forms have already decayed) – this suggests a change from low volcanic activity to high – which fits the Caterpillar theory but suggests modern C14 is repressed (testable)
  3. A massive “bright light” or some other very unlikely process that changed the quartz. (unlikely and I really just include this as a placeholder as “things which might affect the quartz).

The Caterpillar theory

That the earth will expand as a result of changing temperature at the surface is just common sense physics. So, in this sense the Caterpillar is really just a restatement of fundamental physics: heating and contraction will result in expansion and contraction which will add to the tectonic plate movement. If the heating is large enough and long enough it may be a significant driver and evidence of changing rates of tectonic plate movement corresponding with ice-age cycles is found at the mid ocean ridge.
However, what makes it a theory – is that it predicts subduction and a change in the level of emissions from volcanoes and therefore may well be the reason why CO2 levels fluctuate over an ice-age cycle. However, the last ice-age peaked at 22,000 years ago, whereas this research shows the discrepancy at 30,000 years. As this will be at the limits of sensitivity the difference may not be significant, in which case it could be evidence for a large scale release of volcanic CO2.

Volcanic CO2 – affect on C14 dating

Source: http://www.c14dating.com/corr.html
Spurious radiocarbon dates caused by volcanic emanations of radiocarbon-depleted CO2 probably also come under the category of reservoir corrections. Plants which grow in the vicinity of active volcanic fumeroles will yield a radiocarbon age which is too old. Bruns et al. (1980) measured the radioactivity of modern plants growing near hot springs heated by volcanic rocks in western Germany and demonstrated a deficiency in radiocarbon of up to 1500 years through comparison with modern atmospheric radiocarbon levels. Similarly, this effect has been noted for plants in the bay of Palaea Kameni near the prehistoric site of Akrotiri, which was buried by the eruption of the Thera volcano over 3500 years ago (see Weninger, 1989). The effect has been suggested as providing dates in error for the eruption of Thera which has been linked to the demise of the Minoan civilisation in the Aegean. One modern plant growing near the emanations had an apparent age of 1390 yr. The volcanic effect has a limited distance however. Bruns et al. (1980) found that at 200 m away from the source, plants yielded an age in agreement with that expected. They suggested that the influence of depleted CO2 declined rapidly with increasing distance from the source. Radiocarbon discrepancies due to volcanic CO2 emissions are a popular source of ammunition for fundamentalist viewpoints keen to present evidence to show that the radiocarbon method is somehow fundamentally flawed.

CO2 driven by temperature

The honoured Professor Salby impressed me with his research showing that “at least in part” CO2 levels are driven by temperature.

This could mean that “organic carbon” locked up in e.g. peat deposits is being constantly released in the present period thus causing a depression in C14.

Volcanic CO2

However, at least in part, the rise in CO2, must also come from “fossil forms” whether coal, peat or volcanic CO2. And even some academics admit that CO2 has risen as a result of volcanoes:

Prof Jim Zachos of the Univeristy of California said that 55 million years ago volcanic activity caused around 4,500 gigatons of greenhouse gases to be released into the atmosphere over thousands of years. This caused the planet to warm by 6C (source)

The published estimates of the global CO2 emission rate for all degassing subaerial (on land) and submarine volcanoes lie in a range from 0.13 gigaton to 0.44 gigaton per year (Gerlach, 1991; Varekamp et al., 1992; Allard, 1992; Sano and Williams, 1996; Marty and Tolstikhin, 1998). The preferred global estimates of the authors of these studies range from about 0.15 to 0.26 gigaton per year.
However, all of these assume:

  1. That measurements of obvious CO2 release is an accurate indication of total CO2 release
  2. That oil is not part of the fossil carbon cycle (which means that all humans are doing is temporarily speeding that cycle up for a few decades).

As such the actual continued release of CO2 from subduction events could be many orders of magnitude larger than academics believe. Indeed, looking at the figure of “4500 gigatonnes over 1000 years”, if the natural release of carbon is 0.2gigatonnes for the last 20,000 years, then there has been 4000 gigatonnes of volcanic CO2.
which if Prof Jim Zachos is right it’s almost the same as the temperature rise at the end of the ice-age … (slaps head) … of course … this looks suspiciously like the old “CO2 rise MUST HAVE caused the end of the ice-age” turned on its head argument.
So let’s ignore what the “scientists” say on volcanic CO2 instead, the best summary comes (as always) from WUWT:

Another known unknown – volcanic outgassing of CO2

Here’s another, explaining how even obvious sources are being underestimated (but with no figures for actual amount):

Three Million Underwater Volcanoes Can’t be Wrong

This suggest that the estimates of total CO2 release from volcanoes is erupting with 0.1 in 1992, 0.2 around 2000 and latest estimates of 0.6gigatonnes. If the 50% from “inactive” volcanoes is an addition this suggests we are already at 1gigatonne or a 10x increase in 23 years. So it would not be surprising if in 23 years time we were being told volcanic activity was responsible for 10gigatonnes/year nor in 46 years if we then learnt it was closer to 100gigatonnes a year. Needless to say, this is far more than human emissions, although less than the total amount of CO2 from organic decay of plants.

(But what it really shows is that academics have no idea how much CO2 comes from natural volcanic sources)

Conclusion

Looking at the dates, the researchers have dates up to 60-80,000 years. These will be less reliable, but they are suggesting that all dates over 30,000 years are at odds. To me this sounds like a change in production in C14 rather than a “C14 event”. And there are obviously two possible explanations: that C14 was higher in the past, or that C14 is currently lower. So, either more C14 was being produced in the past for some reason. Or we are currently experiencing a period when less C14 is being produced (or C14 is being diluted).
With the last ice-age ending some 22,000 years ago, it seems to me that the two may well be related. This in turns suggests that ice-age may in some way be a result of something that also affects the C14 level. The two obvious choice (for me) are a reduction in cosmic rays or an increase in magnetic field and earth’s shielding – or a change in solar activity which in turn affects the earth’s shielding. Or a change in volcanic activity – so that C14 is now diluted in the atmosphere due to the release of fossil carbon.

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Shuffling cards: Why climate models fail

A while back I tried to find out what model of natural variation was included in the climate models. After searching and finding no formal definition of their model of “natural variation” I finally worked out that “variation” in the world of climate modelling means one of two things

  1. Instrumentation noise – which they assume can be eliminated by averaging (false for long term 1/f type noise)
  2. “ensemble forecasting”. What this means is that the initial conditions are slightly perturbed and then these new initial conditions are fed into the model to produce a new result. And e.g. if 70% of the predictions indicate rain, then this is taken as meaning that there is a 70% chance of rain.

The first is assumed to be external to the climate – derived only by imperfect measurement. The second is the only form of randomness I could see included in the climate models. However, this model of initial variability for the models is fundamentally wrong and it gets worse with longer and longer forecasts. The technical reason is because the “noise energy” as I like to refer to it or perhaps others might prefer “degrees of freedom” has a finite life within the model and eventually the main factor influencing the outcome is the quirks of the model. Continue reading

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Blatant Fraud

I am sick to death with seeing blatant fraud in the global temperature figure as constantly revealed by Real Science. What is more, from my experience, when an organisation is so blatant with its dishonesty, there will be far far more to discover.
GISSFigA2Changes-March-Sept2015
The only consolation is that no one except the extremely gullible is now fooled by these graphs.

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Paris Dead Parrot Talks … dead.

For reasons which are fairly obvious,  I’ve finally managed to get myself banned from the Guardian for speaking the truth about the evils of Climate extremism. Clearly the Guardian “doesn’t like it up em” and their hypocrisy of free speech is all the more galling because all I was doing was keeping on reminding them about the 18 years pause.
But banning me is a completely futile gesture, because we sceptics are now so many in number that within an hour of publishing an article on the failure of the Dead parrot Talks in Paris, the comments were being flooded by gleeful sceptics, delighted at the news – so much so that they closed comments entirely. So much for free speech!
But what is more sickening than climate extremists like Hollande using the deaths of illegal immigrants to push their sicking politics – good riddance!
I’ve copy and pasted the comments, because the Guardian will more than likely “magic” them away.


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No news is good news.

Unlike a newspaper, a blogger need only write an article when there’s something to say. And there has literally been nothing worth commenting on (that hasn’t already been covered by other sceptics) for weeks if not months. Traditionally global warming does take a brake in the summer (as eco-fascist journalists go for their yearly jaunt flying in air-planes, 4x4s and consuming a planet load of fuel to reach their exotic destinations where they then sit around moaning about us sceptics not condoning their hypocrisy). So, there will be a rise in the number of news stories in the next few weeks, but given the current sparsity of stories and the appalling dross of those that do appear, they will struggle to keep me awake.
In the UK, there have been a few stories attempting to link immigration to climate. These must be dreamt up by journalists in their tropical retreats as they swelter in the sun dreaming on getting back to cold wet England.
In the US, Obama continues his comedy tour … all the funnier because some people don’t yet get the joke.
India is starting to become global warming obsesses and so reminds me of those 70s sitcoms with Indian immigrants trying far too hard to be British … and ending up being a parody of outdated ideas.
The Australian media are now behaving like a spoilt child whose been told to shut up by their politicians.
China is now realising that destroying the western economy wasn’t such a good idea when it was the west which bought so many of its goods.
And back in Scotland, the SNP are now embroiled in a corruption scandal – birdmincers are now less welcome that English Tories and and appallingly cold and wet summer means no one is at all interested in Global warming (unless someone can promise us it means a few warmer days).
Peak Birdmincer
However, the next milestone is this: when the total power from birdmincers peak. With older machines now at the end of their economic lifetime, even a slowdown in installations could lead to peak birdmincer as more machines break down than are installed. Also as the amount of public money dolloped in the trough for the pigs to gorge on decreases, there just won’t be the same incentive to keep them mincing.

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Smoking Gun That Government Climate Science Is Completely Corrupt

I’ve reblogged this from Real Science because Tony Heller has once again highlighted the blatant dishonesty by Obama & his Climate extremists. And this time the evidence of blatantly lying about the situation cannot be denied by anyone with any honesty and intelligence.


 
Obama is spreading all kinds of lies about Alaskan glaciers, which his own agencies knows are not true. Nothing is said or done to stop the liar in chief.
The USGS knows that Alaskan glaciers retreated much faster in the 19th century.

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Why are climate-extremists so obsessed with conspiracy theory?

Any sceptic knows the non-sense about conspiracy ideation from the links of Lewandowsky and other climate extremists. As someone who is actually qualified in this area through my MBA I am very sure this shows a lack of understanding of how real organisations behave, both in theory and practice. In contrast, sceptics seem to intuitively understand the complexity of organisations and have little problem separating the behaviour of the whole group from that of individuals. But climate extremists appear to be incapable of seeing the individuals within an organisation as separate identities to the whole organisations, which I think makes them extremely gullible as to how organisations actually function. Continue reading

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Dead Parrot talks: the end – admits EU commissioner

According to an article – itself reporting on the Guardian – an Eu dictator has declared that “Paris is final”. The Dead parrot talks are …well … the end. There is no plan B. When they fail, they fail for good. The parrot will be no one, it has gone to meet its maker. It is deceased.
What is most laughable is that he believes such an empty threat will have any other effect than to make the people of the world all the more keen to see these dead parrot talks fail.

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Sun burns Anthers

Oh dear, oh dear! Anthers has blown a gasket over the Sun article. He starts:

The Sun appears to have some kind of competition called The Great British Sound Off which aims to find a great Sun columnist. One of the finalists is a 19 year old called George Harrison who’s piece is called give climate hotheads the (ice) cold shoulder …

He ends:

… about 15 minutes and is pretty much all I can be bothered doing. It wasn’t hard, but maybe simply making stuff up is easier than actually doing some background research

Which is a very apt appraisal of global warming research!
Anthers: a little bit of background research
Even for his blog, the comments on the article are boring. But two were notable. There is the disgusting vitriol:

Magma says:

The older contrarian twits are dying off. Perhaps the Sun is auditioning for their eventual replacements.

And one mildly humorous:

Tits aren’t confined to Page 3 hohoho, etc.
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The Sun what done me in!

I could never have imagined it back when I was a student and the Sun was a pariah newspaper, but today I cried over this Sun Article.
I’ve been a full time unpaid climate sceptic since around 2007 when I first realised that the science was totally distorted and the public were being told lies about the climate.
When I started I was naive enough to think that a few months campaigning would be enough to highlight the lack of scientific integrity.
For more than 8 years I have endured vitriol and hatred of not just idiots on line but idiots in government like Chris Hume. But despite the huge personal cost I carried on. Because at first there were so few of us sceptics and so I knew that each of us counted and it had to be done. 8 years later I already knew from the overwhelming support for the sceptic view online that we had won. I was confident of victory and it was only a matter of time before the scientific illiterate politicians running our country finally realised they had been conned. So I didn’t expect my reaction today.
All that time & effort I have put in. Those two keyboards I have worn bare engaging in online forums. That time running blogs, writing to (useless) politicians. I now know it has not been in vain
thank you Sun.
Mike Haseler, BSc. MBA
(unemployed)
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